Patagonia wordsmith Craig Holloway recently interviewed Eric Unmacht, an editor with Patagonia's Creative Dept., on his unlikely career change from the exciting world of international reporting in Cambodia to the life of an editor for a clothing company in Southern California. As Craig finds out, the switch hasn't taken Eric very far from his passions:
Craig: What were you doing before you started working at Patagonia, and how did you find your way here?
Eric: I was living in the Bay Area, but only for a few months. I had just gotten back from Southeast Asia, where I was working for about six years as a freelance reporter for print and radio news organizations in the U.S., Europe and Asia. I was based in Cambodia and Indonesia.
I was looking for a change after working as a reporter and started applying to nonprofit environmental organizations. I didn’t want to work in news anymore but had no intention of working in the outdoor retail industry, or even in business in general. I grew up in Los Angeles and heard about Yvon Chouinard and how great Patagonia was, but never really thought about working here. I was in Ventura surfing with a friend who worked at Patagonia and she told me about an opening for a job as an editor. I applied and got the job.
Craig: What is it about Patagonia as a company that you admire most?
Eric: What I admire most about Patagonia is that they try to lead the environmental movement by example, and with humility, instead of just telling people what to do from a self-righteous position. Also, its promotion of human-powered sports that focus on getting people out in nature and having fun.
Craig: You received a Master of Science Degree in journalism from Columbia University. What is the most important lesson you learned from your education there?
Eric: Eat oatmeal every morning. I had a professor who told us that at the beginning of his introduction to reporting class and it was actually great advice. My beat for the semester was in the Bronx and when I’d go up there and start reporting, I sometimes wouldn’t find time to eat until I came home at night.
Craig: You were a reporter for Deutsche Presse-Agentur and also freelanced while living in Phnom Penh, Cambodia and Jakarta, Indonesia. What type of news stories did you report?
Eric: In Cambodia, most of the world’s focus was on the efforts of the United Nations and involved governments to set up a Khmer Rouge tribunal. When I wasn’t covering that, I got to do what for me was the fun stuff – working on the many interesting feature stories in the country, from its crazy attempt to set up a stock market to its long tradition of traveling countryside opera. I loved doing feature stories, especially ones that had lots of colorful sound for radio.
I didn’t have nearly as much feature-writing time when I was in Indonesia with all the hard news. Stories on terrorism took precedence since it was 2004-2006. At the time Indonesia was still often being mislabeled a “hotbed for terrorists and Muslim fundamentalists” since it was after the first Bali bombing. That perception didn’t seem to fade until an explosives expert responsible for that attack and a series of other bombings, ironically a Malaysian, was killed in a government raid right before I left. I don’t think there’s been a major bombing targeting Westerners there since.
Craig: Has your experience while living in Southeast Asia, where people live with less, influenced you to live a simpler lifestyle in the U.S.?
Eric: That’s a good question. I’m not sure if it’s influenced me to live a simpler life or my preference for simplicity has attracted me to certain places and people. All I know is that I’ve always been interested in traveling to countries that aren’t as developed as our own.
Craig: You and your wife, Klara, have a great love for international travel. Is there a story that stands out in your years of travel?
Eric: We have so many stories that it’s impossible to choose one. Klara and I still laugh together about our memories of our time overseas, some of which only someone who has been to or lived in that particular country could understand. If there’s one thing Cambodia teaches people, it’s how to laugh and smile in all situations, even in the face of tragedy. Every person I know who managed to live through the Khmer Rouge has a story of terror and overcoming that makes anything I’ve ever suffered through feel like summer camp. Yet I have some friends there who smile and laugh more than anyone I know.
Craig: Patagonia’s Environmental Internship Committee recently approved your environmental internship with the group, International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN). What is IUCN and what type of environmental stewardship services do they provide for the global environment?
Eric: They’re an international conservation group based in Switzerland and have a wide range of projects around the world. The reason I picked them was because I saw they were involved in setting up transboundary conservation areas – areas that straddled boundaries of states or ethnic or religious groups. The areas are in regions of conflict, so they are not only important for their conservation merits, but their ability to bring conflicting groups together. I really believe that the environmental crisis the world faces will either pull people apart or bring them together, since we can’t solve many of these problems on our own. I’m really hoping it will be the latter.
Craig: Where will you be living and working during your environmental internship with IUCN?
Eric: I’ll be living in Bangkok, Thailand and Seoraksan National Park in South Korea. The project I’m working on is setting up a conservation area in the DMZ area between South and North Korea. Both sides already have national parks in the area. They just need someone to bring them under one umbrella, when all factors align of course. So that’s what the group I’m working for is trying to do. They say there’s a great deal of goodwill on both sides. It might take time, but getting conservation movements started in developing countries in conflict, before peace and democracy arrives, is important.
Craig: What experiences do you hope to come away with from your environmental internship with IUCN?
Eric: I hope to learn about how international environmental NGOs work, the process of getting conservation agendas accomplished in developing countries, how to devise and implement environmental management plans and how to work with groups with a history of conflict. The people I’m working with at IUCN are really motivated, so I’m confident I will learn a lot.
Craig: Tell us about your passion for surfing and what it means to you.
Eric: Surfing’s always been a way for me to get back in touch with the natural rhythms of the world. It’s also a great break from the complicated stuff we can all get tangled in during our day-to-day lives. I used to love coming home to the U.S. after seeing so much suffering in Cambodia or Indonesia, and just paddle out with some friends.
[Ed note: In trying to provide captions for the above photos, we mined Eric for additional information. His response adds additional insight into his life and time in Cambodia. Here's Eric's words:
Sorry I don't have better photos. I realized how few we have from our time overseas when I was asked for one. But it got me emailing some friends who came to visit, so hopefully I'll get more like these to add to the personal collection.
But those you have were taken by Czerina Patel, around December 2002. The one inside is me in my office in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, talking to one of the local reporters I worked with. It looks like we're looking at some photos, but it was so long ago, I don't know much more than that.
Same for the one of me outside on a motorbike. I'm not sure what we were looking at, but I am outside my office in Phnom Penh, on the typical mode of transport in Cambodia (after the bicycle, that is). Cambodians will fit a whole family on the back of one of those things...and front. Small kids fit perfect in that space between the legs and handlebars.
In the background you can see a local "gas station" (shell drum with hand crank), "pharmacy" (misc assortment of drugs) and other shops that were across the street from my office. It was just half a block up from the Tonle Sap River...right where it hits the Mekong.]